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Modern Love Podcast: A Holiday Lesson About Desire

Paula grew up in foster care, and year after year she would find herself “clobbered by desire” when the holidays rolled around. She longed for a mother and father to rescue her and “make everything better”; she wished for the hip-huggers and games she saw on TV.

When she was 21, she met a man named Jeff who ruptured this annual cycle of desire. He became the inspiration for a hard-earned Christmas lesson.

“What did love feel like to you as a child?” Daniel Jones asked Paula at the end of episode. Paula recalled getting dropped off at her first foster home, with clothes and garbage bags. “It doesn’t feel like love,” she said. “It’s like everything is bent on trying to figure out these people just to make sure they don’t give you away again.”

A lot has changed in Paula’s life since her essay was published in 2007. Her book “The Paris Wife,” which came out in 2011, went on to become a best seller. And as she revealed to Daniel, she also got divorced. “I could not have imagined that present when I was barreling down the highway,” she said. “Once I left that marriage,” she continued, “I got bigger.” Her new novel, “When the Stars Go Dark,” comes out next year.

Hosted by: Daniel Jones and Miya Lee
Produced by: Kelly Prime and Hans Buetow
Edited by: Wendy Dorr and Sara Sarasohn
Music by: Dan Powell
A Sweet Reminder,” written and read by: Meg Christman
The Holiday of my Dreams Was Just That,” narration by: Samantha Desz, produced by Ryan Wegner and Kelly Rogers at Audm
Executive Producer, NYT Audio: Lisa Tobin
Assistant Managing Editor, NYT: Sam Dolnick

Special thanks: Nora Keller, Mahima Chablani, Julia Simon, Laura Kim, Bonnie Wertheim, Anya Strzemien, Joanna Nikas and Choire Sicha.

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